I do not drink *dramatic pause/dramatic eyebrow* wine.
hope you don't mind me saying, but the sidebar bio absolutely makes this blog.
I don't know if you've mentioned this before, but I'm reading a book by Maria Perry, The Sisters of Henry VIII. In discussing his sister Margaret, who was married to James IV of Scotland she makes reference to a tournament in honor of Margaret having given birth to a son in 1507. At the tournament, the Lady of Honor is "Black Ellen" a Moorish girl who was brought to Edinburgh by one of the king's sea captains and was one of Margaret's attendants. Victors at the tournament were allowed to
[con’t] claim a kiss from her “muckle lips.” Muckle means full. There is even a poem. I can’t find a picture of her, but thought you’d find it interesting, if you didn’t already know about her.
There was more than one tournament. :D The poem kind of sucks ( i know which one you mean, the Houwen, I assume) but the whole affair was ridiculously popular, so they had several more Tournaments of the Black Lady in the Scottish Court.
And the losers of the tournament had to kiss her ass. Ahem, I mean, “to cum behind and kis hir hippes” (Houwen 189).
For more sources on the tournaments, I have some here.
1/3 That cultural approbation thing actually gives me a lot of questions, I'm not talking about the people who use the white savior trope or colour = barbarian or anything as blantant as that. Only people who actively try to be respectful. I've seen people writing about their own culture in what they believe is a truthful and respectful manner make other's angry. Sometimes it seems hard to know when being angry because they disagree ends and being angry because you're hurting individuals begins.
2/3 I imagine there’s overlap. And I AM sorry for asking it, because I know there IS no definitive answer and you quite possibly can’t make such a complicated issue any clearer. But it’s something I think a lot about and you’re the most experienced person that I respect on this matter that I have access to. Assuming you’ve listened and acted respectfully (to your own culture or another) people will still have mixed and contradicting opinions. How are we meant to prioritize these opinions?
3/3 How do people saying it’s a good representation of their culture stack up against someone saying they found it erroneous or hurtful? Especially if there are multiple people who didn’t like it and want you to change it in different ways. Everyone’s an individual and their opinions are different and even taking all suggestions into account it’s impossible to make everyone approve. So how are we meant to choose between multiple people who belong to the culture who disagree with each other???
As far as I can tell, this message is in response to this post in which I answer a question about cultural appropriation in fantasy writing.
The central problem here is, once again, you seem to be expecting ME to speak for or somehow override other people. It ends up seeming like you’re asking me for some kind of weird permission on who it is and isn’t okay to ignore when they tell you “don’t do that”.
If you can’t tell the difference between what you call “disagreement” and “hurting individuals”, I fail to understand why you seem to think that’s a problem other people should solve, and not you yourself.
Because basically, when you ask me “how are we meant to choose between multiple people who belong to the culture who disagree with each other?” you’re pretty much asking me if it’s “okay” to hurt SOME people in a group as long as you didn’t hurt ALL of them.
If it’s really that difficult for you to sort out what is and isn’t hurtful to people, then maybe you need to be doing something else.
I’ll leave you with this quote from Hiromi Goto’s WisCon 38 Guest of Honor Speech:
It matters who and what is being focused upon in fiction. It matters who is creating a fictional account of these tellings. I don’t think the “burden of representation” rests upon the shoulders of those who are positioned as under-represented. If this were the case we would fall into an essentialist trap that will serve no one well. However, I’m okay with saying that it is my hope that white writers who are interested in writing about cultures and subjectivities outside of their own consider very carefully:
1) how many writers from the culture you wish to represent have been published in your country writing in the same language you will use (i.e. English) to write the story,
2) why do you think you’re the best person to write this story?
3) who will benefit if you write this story?
4) why are you writing this story?
5) who is your intended audience?
6) if the people/culture you are selecting to write about has not had enough time, historically and structurally, to tell their story first, on their own terms, should you be occupying this space?
Silence. In the space where your voice would have rang out with its distinct articulation. The moment you silence yourself a gap opens up, and someone else who may have no qualms in occupying that space, will leap in to speak out on their own terms. If you’re a writer (a dreamer) from a people, a community, a history that has been long-marginalized, silenced or misrepresented, we so desperately need to hear your story in your voice, in your own grammar of perception and articulation….
Many thanks. A couple of brief internet searches haven’t given me much information on who Dangier the Saracen is, but based on this , I’m forced to conclude that he is a distant cousin of Ogier the Dane, and a wisdom-dispensing time-traveller.
Did you click the links? One of them is to an paper on that specific character, analyzing this specific illuminated text. I know links can be hard to see if you’re on mobile, too-just FYI.
That being said, Wisdom Dispensing Time Traveler Dangier is now canon.
you don't have to be so negative just because a post doesn't have a person of colour in it.
I have absolutely no clue what this message is about… apparently, it’s about “a post”. Well, I have several thousand of those. So I guess get back to me on that and we can discuss my negative attitude.
for some reason, fistpump angel made me really really happy. thank you for that.
I like to think that fistpump angel makes everyone happy!
Since people were asking, it’s the famous smiling angel of Reims Cathedral:
THIS ANGEL BELIEVES IN YOU! You can Do the Thing!!!!
I especially love this smiling guy from Regensburg in Bavaria) This Gabriel is really happy to have brought his news to Maria)
AHHHH I LOVE IT